I will be criticizing Saturnian men throughout this post, if you don't like that, stop reading right now <3 Saturn is the planet of karma, justice, discipline, and order. In Claire's video about Saturnian men, she observed that "in Saturnian men you will find an exact duality contained here in breaking rules and doing strange stunts, pranks and having outbursts etc but also paradoxically find themselves submitting to ideologies, cults, political parties, motivational affirmations etc" I feel like I touched upon this a bit in my first post about Saturn and in this post I'd like to go into different manifestations of this tendency along with some other things I've observed with Saturnian men. Timothee Chalamet, UBP Moon Full disclosure, I've never liked him lmao,, I think the hype he gets is undeserved and 90% bc of the fact that there is a dearth of young charismatic actors in Hollywood. But anywayyys, Timmy Tim first attracted controversy for working with Woody Allen even though he's since expressed regret for it or whatever,, then he received flak for having sex in a pool during the height of the pandemic and manyyyy blinds about him giving women chlamydia đđstarted making the rounds and he was lowkey exposed for being a whor* Then last year he drew criticism for smoking indoors at a Beyonce concert (where smoking is prohibited) and he's literally talking to Kylie and blowing smoke ??? at the same time?? which is sooo filthy?? who tf does that?? His silence on the Armie Hammer issue and pretty much all issues lol have also been criticized. Everybody thought he'd be some woke liberal activist but he's just been dead quiet and pretty self absorbed the whole time. He loves to lap attention and give absolutely nothing in return to the community. The thing with Saturn however is that, bad behaviour does not go unpunished. Timmy Tim has been getting A LOT of flak and the total rose tinted obsession people had with him is slowly fading (even tho he still has legions of fans). People are now starting to see his true colors. But anyway, this is a very minor issue compared to all the other Saturnians I'm going to mention next. Jeffrey Epstein, UBP Moon, Anuradha Rising I'm assuming most of you are familiar with sex offender Epstein. He has trafficked thousands of underage girls over the course of decades and to satiate numerous high profile paedophiles. He committed suicide while in prison. One thing about Saturn is that, if you stray, are immoral, unfair, undisciplined, corrupt, foul, evil etc it WILL punish you. The truth is Saturnians know deep down that what they're doing IS wrong, they're not like Moon dominants who are completely convinced their corrupt evil idea is a "good" one. Saturnians know full well what they're doing and they do it anyway and they suffer its consequences. Inviting Saturn's wrath upon oneself is basically how these natives find "balance", they feel like they get away with too much and they're constantly pushing their limits to see how far they can go before this wrath comes for them. Epstein had been doing this for decades without much consequence, working with extremely high profile people including politicians and royalty. Eventually, he was caught and the truth of his immorality was exposed for all to see AND he ended his own life. Salvador Dali- UBP Moon Dali was known for being an eccentric and a weirdo and you can say that the way he pushed his boundaries as an artist is a more "positive" manifestation of Saturnian individuals and their need to test limits. However, Dali was also a pretty messed up guy Dali admitted on several occasions to having sadomasoch*stic tendencies. As a child he enjoyed throwing himself down the stairs, explaining that âThe pain was insignificant, the pleasure was immenseâ. Shockingly, he once pushed his childhood friend off of a 15-foot bridge â as his friend lay injured, Dali apparently sat calmly eating cherries. Pleasure and pain seemed intimately entwined. Dali wanted both. One other childhood incident of note included a wounded bat. It was kept in Dali's washhouse hideaway and stayed there overnight. When Dali returned to it was being devoured by a mass of ants. He impulsively bit into the seething mass delirious with pleasure. I had briefly mentioned how Saturnians tend to be sadomasoch*stic in my previous post about Saturn and these examples just confirm it further. When he is an adolescent a girl falls desperately in love with him. He kisses and caresses her so as to excite her as much as possible, but refuses to go further. He resolves to keep this up for five years (he calls it his âfive-year planâ), enjoying her humiliation and the sense of power it gives him. He frequently tells her that at the end of the five years he will desert her, and when the time comes he does so. When he first meets his future wife, Gala, he is greatly tempted to push her off a precipice. He is aware that there is something that she wants him to do to her, and after their first kiss the confession is made: He is somewhat disappointed by this demand, since it is merely what he wanted to do already. He contemplates throwing her off the bell-tower of the Cathedral of Toledo, but refrains from doing so. George Orwell once described Dali this way: "The two qualities that Dali unquestionably possesses are a gift for drawing and an atrocious egoism." Art historian and criticBrian Sewellhas also claimed that Dali once asked him to lie naked in front of one of his sculptures and masturbat* whilst he watched. He was also obsessed with Hitler in a perverse way. While the vast majority of the Surrealist group professed far-Left political leanings, Dali kept curiously quiet during his early career, before being kicked out of the group for being aNazisympathiser, which he denied. Dali went on to make artwork addressing the Hitler, including âThe Enigma of Hitlerâ (above) and âHitler Masturbatingâ, once detailing that he âoften dreamed ofHitleras a womanâ and that the Nazi dictator âturned [him] onâ. He was a big old fascist who also supported the Spanish dictator Franco which made Picasso stop talking to him for the rest of his life. Orwell who fought in the Spanish civil war called Dali a "disgusting human being". At age six, DalĂ writes in his autobiography, he pre-meditated a "terrible kick" to his three-year-old sister's head "as though it had been a ball." Not simply childish not-knowing-better, this baseless cruelty continued as DalĂ got older. Here is an article that says more about his sh*tty behaviour. Here is another article about his fcked up relationship with his sister Saturn never fails to punish tho. It will let you fck up but punishment is imminent. Dali died in his 80s, almost penniless, completely alone, as he had driven all his friends off decades prior, his wife had already passed and he was seriously ill and bedridden. He used button to call his nurse and one day that button short circuited and set him/the bed on fire. He suffered second and third degree burns all over his body. He lived for another four years in severe pain before passing away. Just because you go a whole lifetime avoiding punishment, does not mean it isn't coming. People who suffer in old age have it the worst because you suffer 100x more Dali was a Saturn defying narcissistic, violent, abusive person and guess what Saturn did? It saved it all up for the very end and left him without any kind of mercy. Friendless, penniless, bedridden, in excruciating pain, FOR YEARS until he finally died. Saturn punishes you/is a harsh teacher because it wants you to uphold the Saturnian qualities of virtue, justice, fairness, doing your duty etc, you may never see the rewards of your good actions, so it may feel like a waste of time to keep being so principled but if you decide to just do whatever and disobey, you best believe Saturn will come through with that wrath. You have to keep being virtuous and morally upright even if you don't see yourself being "rewarded" for it. No one may recognise your goodness but keep being good anyway. Alexander Graham Bell, Venus in UBP in 2h, Saturn in Shatabhisha in 1h He is the guy who invented the telephone but he was also a very controversial deaf educator in his time. Bell's father was a teacher of the deaf. His method of teaching the deaf was coined "Visible Speech." Bell's mother was deaf/hearing impaired and he would often speak to her by placing his mouth close to her forehead, believing the vibrations from his voice would help her distinguish speech more clearly. Although he married a deaf woman, a former speech pupil, Mabel Hubbard, Bell strongly opposed intermarriage among congenitally deaf people. Bell feared "contamination" of the human race by the propagation of deaf people even though most deaf people statistically are born to hearing parents. Bell applied his study of eugenics to his goal of preventing the creation of a deaf race and presented his paperMemoir Upon the Formation of a Deaf Variety of the Human Raceto the National Academy of Sciences in 1883.4 Bell stated, "Those who believe as I do, that the production of a defective race of human beings would be a great calamity to the world, will examine carefully the causes that will lead to the intermarriage of the deaf with the object of applying a remedy." In this paper, he proposed to reduce the number of the deaf by discouraging deaf-mute to deaf-mute marriages, advocating speech reading and articulation training for an oral-only method of education, removing the use of deaf teachers and sign language from the classroom. Suggestions were made to enact legislation to prevent the intermarriage of deaf-mutepeople or forbidding marriage between families that have more than one deaf-mute member. His preventative strategies for deaf marriage included removing barriers to communication and interaction with the hearing world. I feel like Saturnians often have a tendency to subconsciously make things harder for themselves and for others. Getting things easy is not Saturn's style. And this can manifest in sooooo many different ways. Bell grew up with a father who taught deaf people/children, his mother was deaf, he married a deaf woman YET he believed that they did not deserve to have separate schools that used communication tools specifically designed for them to make their lives easier. He spent his entire life working with deaf people but still somehow did not want things to be easier for them??? Steve Jobs, UBP moon He had a pretty stellar reputation for being a major asshole. He was an extremely difficult person to work with and often terrorised his employees and was a toxic vile asshole to the women he dated. Jobs was given up for adoption by his parents and later in life, he abandoned his girlfriend and baby after he got her pregnant. His daughter Lisa later said that her mother felt uncomfortable leaving her with Steve alone after an incident in which he questioned and teased thethen-nine-year-oldBrennan-Jobs about hersexual attractions and proclivities. Once, as Jobs groped his wife and pretended to be having sex with her, he demanded that Lisa stay in the room, calling it a "family moment." It is well known that Steve Jobs was really good at conceptualizing things and coming up with ideas (touch screen phones, macbooks, iMacs etc) but he lacked the technical expertise to build anything. His partner, Steve Wozniak was the actual brains behind all of the creations to put it simply. Early in his career, Jobs worked for the game developing company Atari who promised him a bonus of $5000 for developing a game called Breakout. Jobs did not have the know-how to execute this, so he made his friend Wozniak who worked at a different company stay up all night for 4 nights to design this whole ass game. He gave him $350 for it and told him he was giving him half of what the company paid him. Wozniak only found out much later that Steve basically stole his ideas, used him AND gave him a paltry sum as compensation. Before Apple went public, Jobs refused to give any major shares to the many many developers and engineers who played a crucial role in pioneering the company. Wozniak gave those employees HIS shares so that they could make a profit when the company went public. I'm not going to detail all the ways he tormented his employees and staff. You can google it. Eventually, Saturn's karma started kicking in and Jobs was fired from the company he founded and for 10 years, he had to stay away from Apple. This experience humbled him a bit. Apple really suffered in his absence and they brough him back in 1997 and we all know the kind of groundbreaking work he did in the next decade there. (hint: iphones, ipods etc) In 2011, he found out he had terminal pancreatic cancer and resigned from his position and died 6 weeks later. He refused to get surgery and chemo and chose "alternate treatments" until his disease had progressed so far that, there was no saving him. He would eat a single thing and only that for weeks. Like apples. He'd eat only apples for three weeks. He was convinced that made him superior to everyone else and that it made him have no body odour, so he never showered either. This made it really hard for others to be around him. Now back to his daughter, he was incredibly abusive to Lisa. She said she was forced to move home over 13 times before age seven as her mother struggled to pay the bills through a series of cleaning positions, while Jobs, then already a multi-millionaire, refused to help. During one visit she innocently asked if she could be given his Porsche after learning the flashy vehicle had a scratch and needed to be replaced. His scowling response shocked Lisa, then aged seven. ââAbsolutely not,â he said in such a sour, biting way that I knew Iâd made a mistake,â she remembers. âI understood that perhaps it wasn't true, the myth of the scratch: maybe he didnât buy new ones. By that time I knew he was not generous with money, or food, or words; the idea of the Porsches had seemed like one glorious exception. I wished I could take it back. We pulled up to the house and he turned off the engine. Before I made a move to get out he turned to face me. ââYouâre not getting anything,ââ he said. ââYou understand? Nothing. Youâre getting nothing.â Did he mean about the car, something else, bigger? I didnât know. His voice hurtâsharp, in my chest.â (an excerpt from her memoir 'Small Fry') Saturn may delay punishment but it will punish and whether or not you learn from it, is up to you. Some individuals are not very malleable and they suffer the most. They make the same mistake over and over again and never learn. Steve died of any entirely preventable disease but he refused treatment. He was in excruciating pain towards his end and was completely bedridden. He expressed regret about not having gotten treatment sooner but :/ It's really scary how your karma catches up with you. Its the worst when it comes for you and leaves you with no time to remedy anything, so you just suffer agony knowing there is nothing you can do. Woody Allen- Anuradha stellium (Sun, Mercury & Jupiter) He molested his step daughter Dylan Farrow and is currently married to his former step daughter from the same marriage Soon Yi. There has been a lot of misinformation regarding him molesting Dylan as a child even though the fact that he is literally married to one of his stepdaughters should be reason enough to suspect him Allen had been in therapy for alleged inappropriate behavior toward Dylan with a child psychologist before the abuse allegation was presented to the authorities or made public.Mia Farrow had instructed her babysitters that Allen was never to be left alone with Dylan. Allen refused to take a polygraph administered by the Connecticut state police.Instead, he took one from someone hired by his legal team. The Connecticut state police refused to accept the test as evidence. The state attorney, Frank Maco, says that Mia was never asked to take a lie-detector test during the investigation. But again, Saturn's karmic lessons come through. Numerous actors have refused to work with Allen, he has been publicly condemned, lost all his reputation during #MeToo Actors such asGreta Gerwig,Colin Firth, andMira Sorvinohave recently apologized for accepting roles in Allenâs films, while many of his most avid fans have turned against him. Johnny Cash, Rahu in UBP in 1h Johnny was a drug addict and very abusive to his first wife. He creepily pursued June Carter while he was still married and despite her rejecting him MANY times, he did not give up. She was in a financially unfortunate position and he gave her the opportunity of touring with him, which she had to take up to make ends meet and finally in front of a live audience, he proposes marriage to her and basically forces her to say yes. They remained married for 50 years and died within a year of each other so idk if they had a happy marriage or a troubled one but the Saturnian persistence was coming thru. Cash's whole life is super Saturnian. His career came to a standstill in the 70s after a stellar decade long run in the 1960s, all throughout which he was abusing drugs. In the early 1980s, Cash had eye surgery, broke several ribs, and damaged a kneecap, all on separate occasions, and again became addicted to pills. He was hospitalized in 1983 with internal bleeding that almost killed him. Upon regaining strength, he checked into the Betty Ford Clinic and remained clean until his death. In 1994, after a looooong period of zero hits and chart play. He collabed with Rick Rubin (the GOAT) and then released a number of successful albums until he passed away in 2003 and from 1997 onwards he had been struggling with autonomic neuropathy and was frequently hospitalized. Its interesting to me how between 1954 to 1973, Cash was undergoing his Saturn mahadasha and this period brought him enormous success and also made him completely addicted to substances. In 1965, he started a forest fire that burned off 500 acres of forest land and killed 49 of the refuge's 53 endangered condors.When confronted about it, he said "I don't care about your damn yellow buzzards". From 1973-1990, he was undergoing his Mercury dasha, and this was a very low period in his career as he suffered major setbacks. As he's sobering up at the Carter's family ranch, he's walking along a path. One of their ostriches is standing in the path. Well Cash thinks to himself "Hell if I'm moving" and tries to move it, so the bird starts trying to headbutt/peck at him, so he swings a punch at the bird, it responds by splitting his goddamn abdomen open with it's talon, from top to bottom. (he said the only thing that stopped the talon was it got stuck on his leather belt and couldn't go further). So he's laying on the ground, and grabs a branch (or an old fence post, can't remember) and starts beating it from the ground until it runs away. Its interesting how his major highs in life were during his Saturn MD (He has Saturn in Uttarashada in 11h) and his biggest blows came during his Mercury MD (he does have Mercury in Shatabhisha in 12h đŹ). Mercury is not an inherently difficult dasha the way Saturn is. But what we sow, we shall reap. Saturn gives you 19 years to get your sh*t together and if you don't really learn during this period, it gets on your ass long after that. Jennie from Blackpink ended her Saturn MD in 2019 and some of her career's biggest moments have come since then but so have the controversies (she's currently in her Mercury MD) and it's as though the lingering after effects of the Saturn dasha really dictates how we experience our Mercury dasha. Winston Churchill, Anuradha Sun In 1943 in Bengal, over 3 million people died due to starvation and Churchill was directly responsible for this. Churchill deliberately ordered the diversion of food from starving Indian civilians to well-supplied British soldiers and even to top up European stockpiles, meant for yet-to-be-liberated Greeks and Yugoslavs (all of this happened during WW2 for context) He basically said, this is none of my business. Even though millions of Indian soldiers fought for the British during WW2 and were British subjects until India gained independence in 1947. Also btw India was the biggest contributor to the Empire's GDP. they looted and plundered us and left us to starve, basically. In the book, Churchillâs Secret War: The British Empire and the Ravaging of India during World War II, written by Madhusree Mukerjee, Churchill was quoted as blaming the famine on the fact Indians were âbreeding like rabbitsâ, and asking how, if the shortages were so bad, Mahatma Gandhi was still alive. đĄđ¤Źđ he was a racist imperialist pig to say the least. Some people are Churchill defenders and genuinely believe that the Bengal famine was a necessary sacrifice to win the war, and that those who critiqued him were unfair and had little insight about WWII. Aka: the colonized are expendable in a war between essentially imperialist, genocidal and fascist states. And they can kiss my ass. To Indians, Churchill is a Hitler-like figure and rightfully so. Winston Churchill to Peel commission in 1937. Here is a thread that elaborates the many fcked up things he did. When I talk about how cruel, brutal and callous Saturnian men can be, this is what I mean. Saturn restricts, limits and binds. This can easily mean Saturnians subject themselves and others to unnecessary rules, restrictions and limits. Steve Jobs thought he was superior to others bc he only ate one type of food for weeks and months. Just because someone has discipline, does not automatically mean its good to have it. Free range parents can suck because they dont protect you or shelter you but disciplinarian parents also suck. Both Jupiter and Saturn struggle to learn "balance". An unevolved Saturnian will be stingy af, very partial, biased and ill mannered. They act like cave men. Churchill struggled with his mental health his whole life. He referred to it his âblack dog:â fits of melancholia that followed Churchill throughout his life and often left him bedridden, suicidal and unshakably depressed for months at a time. It may sound cruel to say poor mental health is "karma" for his actions. (He also suffered 7 strokes and the final one, killed him). But the ways in which we are punished are often not materially obvious??? We may see terrible people thrive but often they are really suffering on the inside. Saturn often punishes by depriving you of peace of mind :/ Thomas Alva Edison, Anuradha Rising In 1884, Nikola Tesla moved to New York City to meet Edison, who was famous for his low-voltage, direct-current electricity. Tesla believed the higher-voltage alternating current electricity was superior and suggested creating an AC-powered motor, but Edison claimed it was too dangerous. Instead, Edison promised the recent immigrant $50,000 (over $1 million today) if he could improve upon his DC generators, or âdynamos.â After toiling for several months and making significant advances, he returned for his reward, only for Edison to say, âWhen you become a full-fledged American, you will appreciate an American joke.â Tesla quitâbut the bullying didnât stop there. George Westinghouse had purchased Teslaâs patents and became the pioneering force behind AC power and its widespread implementation. Edison, who was ideologically and financially invested in his own DC power, began a publicity campaign against AC power. The campaign was ruthless; he wanted to prove that the high voltage of AC power was too dangerous for public use, so he and his cohorts began publicly electrocuting animalsâstray dogsand cats,cattle and horses, and even, notoriously, âTopsyâ the elephant. (you can hate me for pointing out how unevolved Saturnians abuse animals all you want but it will not stop it from being true<333) The story gets worse. Edison was asked whether electrocution was a humane method of execution. In reply, he claimed that with Westinghouseâs AC power, it was indeed a humane and reliable execution. Westinghouse of course tried to prevent such an association, but Harold Brown, one of Edisonâs employees, was hired by the state of New York to build thefirst electric chair. Obviously, he used AC power. The executionâthe first use of the electric chairâtook place on August 6, 1890. AC power proved neither reliable nor humane. The first, 17-second-long charge failed to kill the man, an alleged axe murderer; after waiting for the generator to recharge and amping up the voltage, the next charge at last brought an end to the horrible, 8-minute long ordeal. Westinghouse, disgusted,reportedly said, âThey would have done better with an axe.â For his last two years, a series of ailments caused his health to decline even more until he lapsed into a comaand died at the age of 84. Bo Burnham, Venus/Jupiter/Ketu in Pushya and Anuradha Rising He does have a reputation for being a dick but I wanted to mention him because I think his sense of humour is VERY Saturnian. He has this tendency to humble his audience and its super Saturncoded to me. Like his whole shtick is serving you with a reality check in a slightly condescending way which is extremely Saturnian. He often makes "ironically" misogynistic jokes or whatever and its laced with that Saturnian bitterness except he's slightly self aware I guess. Aziz Ansari, Venus & Mars in UBP and Jupiter in Anuradha Tbh other than the fact that his stand up comedy routines are hella lame, I dont really have much dirt on him. However, he did sexually assault a woman in 2018 and nobody has heard much from him since tbh. I guess its an example of "instant karma". Mads Mikkelsen, Anuradha Sun conjunct Ketu Mads aka the man who made a career out of playing the bad guy This isn't about Mads but about his most well known role, playing Hannibal Lecter. Hannibal imo is very very Saturncoded He is highly intelligent and cultured, with refined tastes and impeccable manners. He is deeply offended by rudeness, and often kills people who exhibit bad manners; according to the novelHannibal, he "prefers to eat the rude".Hopkins described Lecter as the "Robin Hoodof killers", who kills "the terminally rude". Saturnians are either extremely refined or very unkempt. There is no in-between. You can always tell when someone has an imbalanced Saturn influence based on how disorderly, messy and chaotic they are. In the novelRed Dragon, the protagonist,Will Graham, says that psychologists refer to Lecter as asociopath"because they don't know what else to call him". Graham says "he has no remorse or guilt at all", and tortured animals as a child, (đ) but he does not exhibit any of theother criteriatraditionally associated with sociopathy. Asked how he himself would describe Lecter, Graham responded, "he's a monster. I think of him as one of those pitiful things that are born in hospitals from time to time. They feed it, and keep it warm, but they don't put it on the machines and it dies. Lecter is the same way in his head, but he looks normal and nobody could tell." Hannibal embodies the disciplined, orderly conduct of an evolved Saturnian along with the cruelty and harshness of it. Charlie Puth, Anuradha Sun & Mars half of this guy's discography is about how he hates women from LA. He literally has one song called "Nothing But Trouble (Instagram Models)" and it's just about how instagram models make problems. He has another song called "L.A. Girls" about how women in LA are fungible. It's like yeah maybe instagram models do suck but no one made you date them??? These are lyrics from the song LA Girls: "There was Nikki, Nicole, Tiffany, and HeatherBut there's only room for you in my worldBut you say that I changed like the east coast weatherHow the hell did I get caught up?Messin' with these LA girls" When I tell you the Madonna-whor* complex runs DEEP with Saturnian men. They will fool around with you and think of YOU as "cheap" for doing so and fall for the girl who never gives it up. The double standards of Saturnians are đ¤Žđ¤˘ They will get frisky and frivolous with you and judge you for it :/ Woody Harrelson, Pushya Sun, Anuradha Moon When I think of unkempt Saturnians, I think Woody Harrelson lmao While filming in London in 2002, Harrelson found himself at a bar when two women approached him. According to the actor, the women asked if he wanted to "take a walk on the wild side." To which Harrelson replied, "I guess I do." A third woman joined in the fun, and the foursome returned to Harrelson's accommodations and enjoyed what the outlet described as "whatever-happened-next." Unfortunately for the Rampartstar, "a paparazzo was able to snap a photo that soon hit the tabloids." The worst part â his then-girlfriend and future-wife Laura Louie saw these photos in the press. This "led to a good bit of groveling on Harrelson's part," and the couple worked past the incident. I think I have noticed about manyyyy Saturnian men is that they often have enabler wives who put up with their sh*t + encourage it. Steve Jobs' wife, Laurene Powell was like that. Steve was such a perfectionist that he did not even buy furniture for their house and yk what?? she was okay with that lol and they remained married until his death even though literally everybody who has ever known him describes him as an asshole. Woody Allen's still married to Soon Yi who is also entirely defensive about him. Same goes for Harrelson's wife I guess. How on earth does someone work past a foursome??? wtf "I used to go to bars and fight the guys I thought were bullies. I've got scars everywhere," he revealed to The Hollywood Reporter. His fighting ways continued even after becoming a famous actor. Like when he once punched a reporter and claimed he thought the photographer was a zombie. Saturnians never beating the abusive rumours đŠ On a different note, I've noticed how many Saturnian musicians make sad boy music with a â¨spiritual essence ⨠Sufjan Stevens is a UBP Moon This is from a 2015 interview: "I still describe myself as a Christian, and my love of God and my relationship with God is fundamental, but its manifestations in my life and the practices of it are constantly changing. I find incredible freedom in my faith. Yes, the kingdom of Christianity and the Church has been one of the most destructive forces in history, and there are levels of bastardization of religious beliefs. But the unique thing about Christianity is that it is so amorphous and not reductive to culture or place or anything. It's extremely malleable." Tamino, UBP Moon "We like to look at religious texts from all over the world, [and] they always share a lot of similarities. That's not because they necessarily influenced each other, it's more that our inherent experience as humans comes out through storytelling. It's awesome. So that's something that's really interesting: the story that we need to tell. And the stories that we tell will always survive longest. I think it sort of gives them a higher truth, a metaphysical truth, which makes religion quite beautiful to me. You don't have to necessarily believe in every little thing that's described in a book.I'm not a practicing believerânot in the classical sense. But I do have faith. I think a lot of people have faith without realizing [it]. Even waking up and starting your day, we all have like these little acts of fate throughout our lives without even noticing." Hozier- Anuradha Moon Faith is a big theme in their work and their lives and I feel like they are some evolved Saturnian men who have embraced the stoic spirituality of Saturn and poured it into their creativity. In one interview, Hozier described Quakerism as a doctrine which taught him during childhood âto look for the God in each personâ and âthe spark of the divine thatâs in every individual.â In particular, Hozier seeks this spark in his lover. Its interesting to me how all 3 of them use religious metaphors often to speak of love because the ultimate form of love is devotion and Saturnians who have transcended the grips of limitations imposed by Saturn understand this more than anybody. They know what its like to love like their life depends on it. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Pushya Sun Many Saturnians love to talk about working hard and kicking ass. Arnold is one of them, although I will say his preachiness comes from his Punarvasu stellium lmao Arnold is a good example of a man who has worked very very hard and abided by every Saturnian principle to climb the ladder to the top. Yet he cheated on his wife with his housekeeper. He however did not deny paternity of the son he fathered with her. He has also expressed his regret about cheating and how he lost his marriage. Kim Kardashian, UBP Moon She came under fire for her comments about "get your ass up and do the work" but honestly it's just Saturnian tough love Kim is a good example of someone who has turned every single setback into a career opportunity. She is a true hustler. Obviously she's extremely privileged yada yada yada but she was Paris Hilton's assistant at one point and was at the bottom of the ladder. In 20 years she's built a fortune for herself and her family. Like, if it were Kourtney in Kim's place đ¤Ąthey wouldn't be where they are rn. Kim is a worker and its hard to deny that. Rose- UBP Moon In her interview with Vogue Australia, she said: âI ended up fighting for my life, training for my life. Because I couldnât accept the fact that Iâd just be cut and sent back, so I had no time to slack off. I remember I took every minute and every second to work on my craft so that I [could] make it,â âWhen I got [to Korea], I was like, âThis is quite intense,ââ she said of the early period of training. âI notice[d] that there [were] 12 other girls who had been training day and night for about five years. And I had just gotten there.â She feared that if she didnât catch up to the other she would be cut and sent back to Australia, where sheâd already told her school friends that she was dropping out to work on her music." âI [had] left and I didnât want to fly back [to Australia] without having achieved anything,â she said of her worry at the time. âAnd I think it was a good drive. Just the fact that I had flown all the way from Australia gave me more strength [and] determination to strive.â Hardworking Saturnians âđźđđźđ§ââď¸making the most of that Saturnian determination and reaping its rewards OOFI threw back Gala's head, pulling it by the hair, and trembling with complete hysteria, I commanded:âNow tell me what you want me to do with you! But tell me slowly, looking me in the eye, with the crudest, the most ferociously erotic words that can make both of us feel the greatest shame!âThen Gala, transforming the last glimmer of her expression of pleasure into the hard light of her own tyranny, answered:âI want you to kill me!â
"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right.I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
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